Had Enough

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  Letter read at Supplimentary Elder's School

  by messenger in

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  christian congregation

  of jehovah's witnesses

  2528 route 22

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  Had Enough

  Thanks messenger for this very revealing letter.

  Again this is just a half-a$$ed attempt to appear to have a wonderful, spirit-guided policy in place.

  It emphasizes only the "spiritual rules" and boundaries of needing more than one witness if the accused denies the charges, but no mention of the elders' DUTY first to protect the child and other children from further abuse by getting the proper authorities involved and proper jail sentences in place...and no mention of guiding or instructing the parents to call the authorities.

  Therefore let this serve as a reminder that child molestation is a sin, something viewed as abhorrent. It is a heinous crime according to Caesars law.

  This is the only mention of "Caesar's" involvement anywhere in this letter, and since "T he instructors have been directed to take no questions regarding the comments in this letter," where does this leave the elders who may be wondering what to do about "Caesar"?

  And here we go again with categorizing everyone who questions or makes accusations of the WTS's and elders' errors and mishandling of 1,000s of victims, as being "those who cause divisions" ...comparing them to those against Jesus when "Jesus was accused of false charges", labelling all charges as "misrepresentations" and that the news reports "may quote apostate or unreliable sources".

  And of course the inevitable.... "To Christians such misrepresentations is one evidence that they are indeed walking in harmony with Gods truth." Yes.....these accusations are just further proof that the WTS is God's organization so don't be bothered by any such lies ...blah, blah, blah.

  I too cannot believe how much of this drivel I used to swallow.

  I do believe now though that this will not go away and will continue to haunt them thanks to the bravery of those victims speaking out now for themselves and for those that still cannot speak out.

  Had Enough
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  Who have you PERSONALLY met here?

  by gumby in

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  well, i'm a little on the jealous side.. i always here of posters here who seem to personally know each other....of coarse not most.....but many.

  just curious who knows who in the flesh?..........well partially covered flesh anyways.. when you meet them for the first time....are they way different than you expected?.

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  Had Enough

  ((((((((Grace)))))))

  No problem...just giving you a rough time. We'll just call it a blip in the 'ole memory cells. We all get them.

  I'll add my list later.

  Had Enough
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  Who have you PERSONALLY met here?

  by gumby in

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  well, i'm a little on the jealous side.. i always here of posters here who seem to personally know each other....of coarse not most.....but many.

  just curious who knows who in the flesh?..........well partially covered flesh anyways.. when you meet them for the first time....are they way different than you expected?.

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  Had Enough

  Grace!!

  Cos the time is coming & soon I wont remember ANY of you I have "Sometimers " Not Alzheimers

  sniff, sniff...and you forgot me too.

  Had Enough

  Edited by - Had Enough on 13 October 2002 20:12:8

  Edited by - Had Enough on 13 October 2002 20:12:43
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  JW in England Accused of Abuse

  by Kenneson in

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  "man denies sex attack on girl.

  a woman who claimed she was indecently assaulted more than 20 years ago by a senior member of the jehovah's witness congregation in ipswich has described how he removed her socks and sucked her toes.".

  http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/contents/news/news_home.asp.

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  Had Enough

  frogit:

  I always have and still do, love to kiss and hug my children and my grandchildren too and hold my grandchildren on my lap and change their diapers. Frogit says:

  What is wrong with this world? Just to be normal with children is wrong............

  Just to be normal with children is NOT wrong...what this man is accused of doing IS wrong.

  The newspaper article says:

  The prosecutor "claimed Pickrell had kissed the first girl on the lips and put his tongue in her mouth and had indecently assaulted her on other occations."

  What this man is accused of doing crosses the line of decency and what is normal. Please don't equate kissing and hugging our children with a 'friend' who puts his tongue in a young girl's mouth and other things he had no business of doing to or with a child. That demeans the acts of natural family affection and minimizes an indecent act.

  The courts will have to decide who to believe, not the elders.

  Had Enough
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  FOR LURKING JW ELDERS- REVISED LIST

  by jst2laws in

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  sorry to have to repost this but i screwed up the original thread so bad i can't even get in to 'edit'.

  here is the current list of former (some present) elders.

  for over a year i lurked as an elder on h2o and this board.

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  Had Enough

  Hello jst2laws:

  I've never been an elder, "being only a woman" but I just want to say I'm so glad to see you pursuing this list. It shows to me, and I hope to other of the r&f, that those "in the know" who are privy to much more inside info than we are, have left the organization for noble reasons....not just to "go wild and live loose" as the borg would have everyone believe. And I hope, as you do, that more questioning and lurking elders will see that there are many more who feel the same way as they do. Thank you jst2laws.

  Hello Amazing:

  You said a powerful lot with this statement:

  ....there are two distinct religions ... the one on paper for public consumption, and the JW religion that can only be known in private, directed by oral instruction ... and a religion that is wholly outside the scope of anything I would call Christian.

  In the past year, I have had many conversations with my non-jw husband about my reasons and feelings about leaving the WTS. He has a difficult time understanding my strong emotions about leaving. Just recently, I was finally able to put into words to him and to myself, just that very statement of yours that I highlighted.

  Before, whenever I talked to him about beliefs etc., I was so very guarded in what I said so that I would give the "right" impressions of "how wonderful our religion is and how much better it is because it's the truth", and how I would leave out details that smacked of arrogance and fanaticism. I now realize (and can finally put it in words) just how much I had to do that so that he would see the picture of the "good religion" and therefore be interested in joining too. I was afraid to be honest with him (and I guess myself too) about things that seemed so unfair and unloving.

  I have now been able to show him examples of how the WTS uses coersion and innuendo to keep followers in line. You know the drill, right?

  So my point is that, if those of us of the general rank & file can see the hypocrisy, how much more so can you elders see it. You were and some still are, the ones privy to the closed-door discussions and have proof of the private religion and the public one.

  And a sincere thanks to all of you who have shared with us so many details of these "goings-on". They have cemented my conviction that I have done the right thing in choosing to leave that which was my whole life, my foundation, my security.

  I now am on a new path of discovery and want to say thanks to so many ex-elders, either having physically left the WTS or those who choose to remain for their families' sake but have left in their hearts. All these ones have so kindly shared their 'elder' experiences with us and given us an insight as to the inner workings of the WTS...details so many of us r&f would never have known.

  You ex-elders, together with so many ex-ms's and the ex-general r&f pubs, all who share their experiences, feelings, and knowledge...all together I hope, can feel proud of your contributions to this site.

  Thank you all,

  Had Enough
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  Lakeland, Fl. Ledger Reports on Silentlambs March

  by Kenneson in

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  see second article entitled "witnesses faces protest on abuse".

  http://c.moreover.com/click/here.pl?j48904922&w=2013261

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  Had Enough

  Could someone post the article here for me please? I only get an error message when I click onto the link.

  Thanks, Had Enough
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  Dungbeetle's Review of the NY March

  by teejay in

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  i got dungbeetle's persmission to post this here.

  it's very good.... ====================================================================.

  i almost feel sorry for the watchtower .

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  Dungbeetle....Thank you for the moving words. They allow us to picture the event as though we were there ourselves. They also so effectively describe the WTS men as the bullying cowards they are who enforce rules they do not abide by themselves.

  I share your dream, dungbeetle....

  I have a dream. And in that dream I see a sign across the face of the Watchtower building. Instead of saying Watchtower it says For Sale.

  .... because that dream frees the family members so many of us have. The fulfillment of that dream sees my family once again united as families should be....not divided because men want to protect their positions and control.

  My hat's off to all of you who stood up to your abusers with your testimonies and those of you who supported them by walking beside them.

  Had Enough
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  Greetings from New York!

  by safe4kids in

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  hey everyone,.

  i am currently sitting in the hotel lobby typing this on their computer .

  i don't have time to accurately relate what it was like; all i can tell you is that it was one of the most moving and empowering things that i have ever done.

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  Hiya Dana:

  Great to hear from you and glad you are enjoying your experience. I really wish I could have shared in this great event with you and Brenda and all the others. I know how exhilarating it is to meet posters from the board and to be able to share in such a rewarding event would have been a real honour.

  I'm looking forward to chatting with you when you get home and again want to say BRAVO to you all!!!!

  Had Enough
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  I got a report on the March!!

  by Mulan in

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  a friend at the march, just called me to tell me how the march is going.

  it's not raining and hasn't rained!!

  nearly 3 hours into it, and it is still going.

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  Had Enough

  WOW hawk...that's all I can say...just WOW..I am shocked.

  With all that I have learned from this board, I thought I'd finally heard it all and couldn't be shocked anymore. Nobody....absolutely NOBODY should be able to get away with abuse, no matter what their statusis in this organization.

  Take it to the MAX people!!!

  Had Enough
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  More Pics (2) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  by Larry in

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  captions provided by outnfree - much thanks - ll :) bill bowen awarding the first (uh-oh!

  what is the official name?

  ) silentlambs courage award to corrie pandelo in front of 25 columbia heights awards will be given out quarterly to honor those who come forward as survivors or who advocate the protection of children from molestation.

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  Had Enough

  YEAH!!!

  What great pictures folks!!!! What a "witness" you gave for the cause (sorry for the pun) ...so so well-supported, orderly and well-behaved. What a huge success!

  The WTS has had everything going their way for too long and now they have met a force to be reckoned with.

  Many thanks to all of you who took part and made your voices heard.

  Had Enough